WSIS Plenary: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarif

From: Jean-Louis FULLSACK <plenary_at_funredes.org>
Date: Wed 27 Apr 2005 04:49:25 PM AST
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Bertrand and Wolfgang
Where can I find Bertrand's letter to Karklins ? I suppose other CS members would also be interested in its content.
I hope getting an answer before monday afternoon, i.e. before the "stakeholder meeting" at ITU.
Thanks in advance.
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT
> Message du 27/04/05 19:24
> De : "Wolfgang Kleinwächter"
> A : plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Copie à :
> Objet : AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
>
> FYI
>
> This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4, 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE.
>
> http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html
>
> Best
>
>
> wolfgang
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Renata Bloem
> Gesendet: Mi 27.04.2005 18:18
> An: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> Betreff: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation
>
>
>
> Hi Bill
>
> Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town and therefore did not
> speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own interpretation of the meeting was
> very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to Tracey and the CSB, see
> below.
> I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected some CONGO people to
> attend. We were not asked to send this around as they had indicated of
> having very limited space.
>
>
>
>
> >Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all,
>
>
>
> >Having been in Nairobi last week and again away until today, let me just
> >join in this discussion.
> >When I received the invitation for this consultation, I saw it mainly as an
> >attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and follow-up in relation to
> >its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda of the following
> WG->WSIS)
> >other UN agencies and the UN in general
>
> >I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so far, but if you look at
> >some of their working papers, it becomes clear that they need to address
> >some of what the ITU should do in order to play a more substantive role in
> >WSIS follow up: e.g.
>
> >to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and objectives;
> >to reflect more relevantly the MDGs
> >to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even
> >to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN
> >and probably a number of other to dos.
>
> >With other words, I see this exercise in the first place to get their house
> >in order to prepare better for becoming the whatever.overall coordinator of
> >the Plan of Action (according to the Russian proposal, not necessarily
> >endorsed by all governments).
>
> >So the very brief consultation with other stakeholders should therefore be
> >seen in my view in this in-house perspective as one (among many)
> >consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD all prepare many
> >meetings, including on follow-up)
>
> >I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you Bertrand!) to Janis
> >Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue should take place. But I
> >would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to Yuri Grin at this time,
> >precisely not to give more importance to that meeting than it has. However,
> >together with those who will attend, I will certainly raise the concerns.
>
> >Best
>
> >Renata
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Renate Bloem
> President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO)
> 11, Avenue de la Paix
> CH-1202 Geneva
> Tel: +41 22 301 1000
> Fax: +41 22 301 2000
> E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org
> Website: www.ngocongo.org
>
>
>
> The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association
> that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and
> decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the
> presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United
> Nations agencies on issues of global concern. For more information see our
> website at www.ngocongo.org
>
>
>
> Hello Tracey,
>
> The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had a meeting scheduled on
> the 3rd and 4th http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk about
> ITU's role in WSIS. The chair of the Council decided a couple of weeks ago
> to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to hear from other
> stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been taking a lot of heat from
> CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG). Three key points:
>
> First, this is not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd have been done by the WSIS
> secretariat and would have had to follow the relevant rules etc. It's an
> ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an informal one at that, under
> the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't appeared on the ITU's
> website and calendar of events. Second, given the genesis described above,
> I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done in terms of setting
> precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in WSIS. The chair of an
> ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear what people have to say
> and invite whomever she or he wants.
>
> Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's strategy and policy shop, and
> asked who was invited and why. He said that they'd simply pulled email
> addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people based in Geneva like myself,
> and a few others they knew of. Originally they thought they'd have a room
> that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it small. But there's been
> more demand than expected, so they've now moved it to a room that seats 100.
> He told me that about sixty people are registered at present, perhaps half
> of them from CS. I expressed surprise because I'm not aware that there's 30
> WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are CONGO people, some
> folks from out of town, etc. Didn't ask him to read a list. He emphasized
> that now that they have a bigger room, they can accommodate more people if
> others would like to register. I suggested they put the meeting
> announcement with a registration link somewhere visible on the website, and
> he said they'd get on it. So anyone else who wants to go, maybe check the
> URL above in a day or so.
>
> I should add that it's not obvious how many ITU members will be attending,
> since ITU-T is also holding a meeting that day to provide input into the
> Council Working Group. So probably attendees will be speaking mostly to the
> chair and some staffers, rather than to governments and corporations. As to
> the Council WG itself, participation in that is more ambiguous. I was told
> I could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as a CS person, since CSOs
> have no standing right to participate unless they are Sector Members or
> Associates. Unfortunately, I can't go to any of this, as I'm speaking at
> the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but if someone else wants to ask for an
> 'expert' invite it might work.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bill
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On
> > Behalf Of Tracey Naughton
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:43 PM
> > To: plenary@wsis-cs.org
> > Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal consultation
> > on WSIS implimentation
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming
> > informal WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short
> > notice and it's unlikely to have the participation of people from
> > developing contexts, (which is not to negate the value of those who
> > will be able to attend by virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes
> > without saying that many of us would like to have input.
> >
> > It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to
> > get a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback.
> > So far we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received
> > personal invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list
> > but it's the direct ones we would like to record.
> >
> > Please let the list know. Thanks
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> >
> >
> > Tracey Naughton
> > NYAKA
> > Communication for Development Consultant
> > 201 Somerset Hall
> > 239 Oxford Road
> > Illovo 2196
> > South Africa
> >
> > landline & fax: +27 (0) 11 880 5030
> > cell / mobile: +27 (0) 82 821 1771
> > email: tracey@traceynaughton.com
> > skype: tracey_naughton
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Bertrand and Wolfgang
Where can I find Bertrand's letter to Karklins ? I suppose other CS members would also be interested in its content. 
I hope getting an answer before monday afternoon, i.e. before the "stakeholder meeting"  at ITU.
Thanks in advance.
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #ff0000 2px solid">> Message du 27/04/05 19:24 > De : "Wolfgang Kleinwächter" <WOLFGANG.KLEINWAECHTER_at_MEDIENKOMM.UNI-HALLE.DE> > A : plenary_at_wsis-cs.org > Copie à : > Objet : AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation > > FYI > > This is the agenda of the ITU meeting, may, 3 - 4, 2005. All documents can be downloaded for FREE. > > http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html > > Best > > > wolfgang > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Von: plenary-admin_at_wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Renata Bloem > Gesendet: Mi 27.04.2005 18:18 > An: plenary_at_wsis-cs.org > Betreff: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Clarifications on the ITU informal consultation on WSIS implimentation > > > > Hi Bill > >
Thanks, for these clarifications. I was out of town and therefore did not > speak to anybody in the ITU, but my own interpretation of the meeting was > very similar to yours. I sent this yesterday to Tracey and the CSB, see > below. > I was, however, surprised to hear that they expected some CONGO people to > attend. We were not asked to send this around as they had indicated of > having very limited space. > > > > > >Dear Bertrand, Tracey and all, > > > > >Having been in Nairobi last week and again away until today, let me just > >join in this discussion. > >When I received the invitation for this consultation, I saw it mainly as an > >attempt of the ITU to position itself in WSIS and follow-up in relation to > >its own constituencies, (if you look at the agenda of the following > WG->WSIS) > >other UN agencies and the UN in general > > &gt
;I have not been involved in this ITU WG-WSIS so far, but if you look at > >some of their working papers, it becomes clear that they need to address > >some of what the ITU should do in order to play a more substantive role in > >WSIS follow up: e.g. > > >to align it more clearly with WSIS goals and objectives; > >to reflect more relevantly the MDGs > >to have closer engagement with CS, (!)even > >to have closer cooperation with the rest of the UN > >and probably a number of other to dos. > > >With other words, I see this exercise in the first place to get their house > >in order to prepare better for becoming the whatever.overall coordinator of > >the Plan of Action (according to the Russian proposal, not necessarily > >endorsed by all governments). > > >So the very brief consultation with other stakeholders should therefore be > >seen in my view in this in-house
perspective as one (among many) > >consultations for follow up. (UNESCO, UNCTAD, OECD all prepare many > >meetings, including on follow-up) > > >I agree fully with Bertrand's letter (and thank you Bertrand!) to Janis > >Karklins, in which way a more structured dialogue should take place. But I > >would somewhat hesitate to send the other letter to Yuri Grin at this time, > >precisely not to give more importance to that meeting than it has. However, > >together with those who will attend, I will certainly raise the concerns. > > >Best > > >Renata > > > > > > > > > > > > Renate Bloem > President of the Conference of NGOs (CONGO) > 11, Avenue de la Paix > CH-1202 Geneva > Tel: +41 22 301 1000 > Fax: +41 22 301 2000 > E-mil: rbloem@ngocongo.org > Website: www.ngocongo.org > >
 > > The Conference of NGOs (CONGO) is an international, membership association > that facilitates the participation of NGOs in United Nations debates and > decisions. Founded in 1948, CONGO's major objective is to ensure the > presence of NGOs in exchanges among the world's governments and United > Nations agencies on issues of global concern. For more information see our > website at www.ngocongo.org > > > > Hello Tracey, > > The ITU Council's Working Group on WSIS has long had a meeting scheduled on > the 3rd and 4th http://www.itu.int/council/wsis/wsis_WG.html to talk about > ITU's role in WSIS. The chair of the Council decided a couple of weeks ago > to add on an informal meeting on the day prior to hear from other > stakeholders, in part I think because ITU's been taking a lot of heat from > CS about being a closed shop (especially in WGIG). Three key points: > > First, this is
not a WSIS meeting; if it was it'd have been done by the WSIS > secretariat and would have had to follow the relevant rules etc. It's an > ITU meeting, about ITU's role in WSIS, and an informal one at that, under > the authority of the chair, which is why it hasn't appeared on the ITU's > website and calendar of events. Second, given the genesis described above, > I wouldn't read too much into the way this was done in terms of setting > precedents on CS participation in ITU, much less in WSIS. The chair of an > ITU body can always call an informal meeting to hear what people have to say > and invite whomever she or he wants. > > Third, I just spoke with the head of the SG's strategy and policy shop, and > asked who was invited and why. He said that they'd simply pulled email > addresses of people on the CS bureau, CS people based in Geneva like myself, > and a few others they knew of. Originally they thought they'd have a room > that seats thirty, so they were trying to keep it small. But there's been > more demand than expected, so they've now moved it to a room that seats 100. > He told me that about sixty people are registered at present, perhaps half > of them from CS. I expressed surprise because I'm not aware that there's 30 > WSIS CS people in Geneva, and he said well there are CONGO people, some > folks from out of town, etc. Didn't ask him to read a list. He emphasized > that now that they have a bigger room, they can accommodate more people if > others would like to register. I suggested they put the meeting > announcement with a registration link somewhere visible on the website, and > he said they'd get on it. So anyone else who wants to go, maybe check the > URL above in a day or so. > > I should add that it's not obvious how many ITU members will be attending, > since ITU-T is also holding a meeting that day to provide input into the> Council Working Group. So probably attendees will be speaking mostly to the > chair and some staffers, rather than to governments and corporations. As to > the Council WG itself, participation in that is more ambiguous. I was told > I could attend as an individual 'expert' but not as a CS person, since CSOs > have no standing right to participate unless they are Sector Members or > Associates. Unfortunately, I can't go to any of this, as I'm speaking at > the OECD's 2005 Forum in Paris, but if someone else wants to ask for an > 'expert' invite it might work. > > Hope this helps, > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin@wsis-cs.org]On > > Behalf Of Tracey Naughton > > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:43 PM > > To: plenary@wsis-cs.org > > Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] re: invite to the ITU informal consultation > &gt
; on WSIS implimentation > > > > > > Hello > > > > The CSB is formulating feedback for the ITU about the forthcoming > > informal WSIS Implementation meeting. It has been convened at short > > notice and it's unlikely to have the participation of people from > > developing contexts, (which is not to negate the value of those who > > will be able to attend by virtue of being based around Geneva). It goes > > without saying that many of us would like to have input. > > > > It would appear that few people have been invited but we would like to > > get a sense of who did receive an invite as background to our feedback. > > So far we know that myself, Ralph Bendrath and Adam Peake received > > personal invitations. Ralph also posted the invite to the plenary list > > but it's the direct ones we would like to record. > > > > Please let the list know. Than
ks > > > > Tracey > > > > > > > > Tracey Naughton > > NYAKA > > Communication for Development Consultant > > 201 Somerset Hall > > 239 Oxford Road > > Illovo 2196 > > South Africa > > > > landline & fax: +27 (0) 11 880 5030 > > cell / mobile: +27 (0) 82 821 1771 > > email: tracey_at_traceynaughton.com > > skype: tracey_naughton > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plenary mailing list > Plenary_at_wsis-cs.org > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plenary mailing list > Plenary_at_wsis-cs.org > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary > > > _______________________________________________ > Plenar
y mailing list > Plenary_at_wsis-cs.org > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/plenary > > </BLOCKQUOTE>
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